[Pvgreens-discussion] Re: [GPOC] Co-Chair and Proposal #001-07
sandylemberg at juno.com
sandylemberg at juno.com
Sat Jan 27 10:21:13 MST 2007
My most serious concern, among many, on this issue, is that this crucial
discussion has been conducted in the dark corners of
"grns-gpoc-council at greens.org" and out of sight of grassroots Greens in
Colorado. I want to thank Dave Chandler for directing sunshine onto it.
Greens, especially those to whom positions of importance have been
delegated MUST understand that the Green Pillar and Key Value of
Grassroots Democracy is not just something which warrants lip service.
Grassroots Democracy is a practice upon which all Green activity and
discussion must be based.
Sandy
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:31:42 -0700 Dave Chandler <dave at davechandler.us>
writes:
> I am disturbed by Brian Herzfeld's most recent email to the GPOC
> Council (below).
>
> It seems we have a co-chair of the the Green Party of Colorado,
> Brian
> Herzfeld, who -- since he assumed that position -- supports the
> withdrawal of our candidates from races for offices for which they
> have been nominated; who has set himself up as some kind of Grand
> Inquisitor judging who is sufficiently advancing 'Green Ideals'; and
>
> who encourages members to leave the party, eg. "... if furtherance
> of
> Green Ideals are not one's primary motivator, it doesn't take that
> much to run as an Independent ..." (according to him?).
>
> In my opinion, this is not appropriate for an elected officer whose
>
> duties --explicit and implied -- are to help keep us together and
> grow the Green Party of Colorado (By-Laws 5.2.4)
>
> It may be time to admit to ourselves that we made a mistake in
> permitting a person we had only known for about two hours to become
> a
> co-chair of our state party. (See:
> http://www.metrodenvergreens.org/
> 2006/05/colorado_green__2.html)
>
> Dave Chandler
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> On Jan 26, 2007, at 12:27 AM, BDH wrote:
>
> > If one's primary focus is advancement of Green Ideals, then
> > Rick would of course be an obvious and excellent choice.
> >
> > Rick is the one person who got me fired up about IRV as one
> > fundamental idea that will help make alternative Political Parties
>
> > a viable reality.
> > The "Wasted Vote" & the "Spoiler" issue are the two primary
> > stumbling blocks that otherwise good folks and potentially "Green"
>
> > voters everywhere keep repeating to me when I try to sell them on
>
> > the Green Party. -- When I explain the concept of IRV to them,
> > their eyes light up and it's, "Call me when that happens!"
> >
> > Communicating the idea of Instant Run-off Voting (IRV) to the
>
> > voters was one of the fundamental goals of Rick's whole campaign.
> >
> > When you keep in mind that the desire for IRV to succeed was a
>
> > prime motivator for our S.O.S. candidate to withdraw... -that he
> > was convinced that Ken Gordon was the best hope for IRV... and
> that
> > the race was going to be close, very close ...
> >
> > ...and well, when you consider long-term vision and "Future
> > Focus" to be one of our values... and note that Ken Gordon is now
>
> > the Senate sponsor of 07-1162 and also note the closeness of the
> > actual election results:
> > Secretary of State Mike
>
> > Coffman (REP) 772403 50.78 %
> >
>
> > Ken Gordon (DEM) 748532 49.22 %
> >
> > Well lets just say that I put my money on results. Someone who
>
> > is willing to work with others, across "party" lines, -- to come
> up
> > with a solution that actually improves Grassroots Democracy in
> this
> > nation... vs. Finger-Pointers and Nay-Sayers... My vote goes for
> Rick.
> >
> > Of course if furtherance of Green Ideals are not one's primary
>
> > motivator, it doesn't take that much to run as an Independent... ;
> )
> >
> >
> > Ciao, Brian 8^ )
> >
> > Brian D. Herzfeld
> > 2006 State Co-Chair
> > The Green Party of Colorado
> > www.coloradogreens.org
> >
> ===========================
>
> >> This is very simple for me.
> >>
> >> The Colorado Green Party has limited ability to pursue any
> particular
> >> issue.
> >>
> >> If we decide to endorse this legislation and participate in
> lobbying
> >> for its passage, it will be important for the credibility of the
> >> Party that the people we chose to lead this effort see it through
> to
> >> the bill's eventual approval or rejection.
> >>
> >> I favor endorsing this legislation -- it could be very
> significant
> >> for the future of the Green Party in Colorado.
> >>
> >> Therefore, I seek to minimize any prospect that if and when we
> >> officially recommend the 'Voter Choice Act' -- work by the Green
> >> Party to see it passed not be stymied because a key committee
> member
> >> gets frustrated and quits. This point is apparently recognized in
> the
> >> only 'Con' presented as part of this GPOC proposal.
> >>
> >> So, if Rick VanWie will state that he has no intention of being
> the
> >> "one member from the Denver metro area" on the "Committee [that]
> >> shall be charged with organizing out reach efforts to promote the
> >> passage of the Voter Choice Act" -- then any concerns I have will
> be
> >> allayed.
> >>
> >> Dave C.
> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Hollie Kopp
> >> To: Dave Chandler
> >> Cc: Council-Colorado Greens
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:09 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [ GPCO Council] Proposal #001-07 from the GPCO
> >> Legislative Committee
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave,
> >> I'm confused by your comment. What do you mean by your concern
>
> >> regarding
> >> Rick as the Denver member metro who would seek to "organize the
>
> >> party's
> >> efforts?" I don't understand why this concerns you since Rick
> >> has been the
> >> one Denver Metro Green party member who has been working
> >> tirelessly on his
> >> own time to provide support in getting this bill ready for
> >> introduction.
> >> In fact I would say he is probably the most qualified Green in
>
> >> the state
> >> of Colorado to help organize this effort. Could you please
> >> clarify your
> >> remark?
> >> Hollie
> >>
> >> ==========================
> >> Proposal #001-07
> >>
> >> Before I decide on this issue, I would like assurance that Rick
> >> VanWie is not going to seek to be the Denver metro member of the
> >> committee that will organize the party's efforts.
> >>
> >> If we endorse this effort, I hope we will be supportive through
> to
> >> the conclusion.
> >>
> >> Dave Chandler
> >> Adams-Jefferson Greens
>
> _______________________________________________
> grns-gpoc mailing list
> grns-gpoc at greens.org
> http://forum.greens.org/mailman/listinfo/grns-gpoc
>
More information about the Pvgreens-discussion
mailing list