[GPOC] [Pvgreens-discussion] pro~choice has no choice

[LBolt]

Excellent point . . . and I like the Goddess reference.

Margaret wrote:
> My two cents:
>  As much as I would LOVE to 'vote my conscience' I have to agree with ya,
> Larry. And I like the "Babo Pray" reference. I may not be a fan of Ritter,
> but Goddess help us if we get "bo Pray".
> Micheal Moore once said something like 'if your house is on fire, it is no
> time to be arguing about what color to paint the bathroom' ( He was more
> eleoquent that that, but you get my point.) And sadly, right now we have a
> raging fire and there is not much left of the house.
> Margaret
> 
> 
>> Finally checking in as well . . .
>>
>> Guess I don't understand the internal consternation since it seems 
>> that most everything gets changed for the better a small step at a 
>> time. I should think that we are more realistic than the lesser of 
>> argument, especially since we don't have a candidate. At this point, 
>> it may be too late anyway. Nothing will ever be perfect - just have to 
>> continually work toward it, yes?
>>
>> In my opinion, NOT voting for Ritter is akin to handing a vote to Babo 
>> Pray (he'll clean things up right religiously) on a silver platter.
>>
>> - Larry
>>
>> Karen Treanor-Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Loveland Green checking in
>>> have read discussion with interest in this eternal dilemma. sent some 
>>> basic info to Green "down south" who is about to announce candidacy, 
>>> who responded with analogy that doing the lesser evil vote is like 
>>> giving money to a junkie - it just encourages the habit and changes 
>>> nothing for the better. thought it was interesting and worth passing 
>>> back to all.
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: sandylemberg at juno.com
>>>> To: hkopp at frii.com
>>>> CC: CLAIRERYDER at cs.com, 
>>>> grns-gpoc at greens.org,pvgreens-discussion at pvgreens.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [GPOC] [Pvgreens-discussion] pro~choice has no choice
>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:36:52 -0600
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:02:36 -0600 (MDT) "Hollie Kopp" <hkopp at frii.com>
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> "The current political situation has noting to do with the "lesser
>>>> evilism" strategy as it is so dramatically termed."
>>>>
>>>> The reasoning of this statement eludes me completely.
>>>>
>>>> Since at least the end of WWII, liberals have fought tooth and nail to
>>>> elect right wing Democrats such as Truman. This has moved the political
>>>> "Center" in the US from a position between the Left and the Right to a
>>>> position between the extreme Right and even further to the Right.
>>>>
>>>> It is common wisdom, for example, that the political stances of Clinton
>>>> were well to the Right of the political stances of Nixon.
>>>>
>>>> This is lesser evilism. By continuing to obediently vote for the Right
>>>> wing candidates which the Right puts before the electorate, Liberals 
>>>> have
>>>> disenfranchised the Left. There are simply no candidates on the Left to
>>>> vote for.
>>>>
>>>> The only way to break this cycle is for progressives to refuse to vote
>>>> for right wing candidates.
>>>>
>>>> This relates directly to the matter of Green independence from 
>>>> corporate
>>>> politics. Part of the reason I have still not responded to Doug's 
>>>> version
>>>> of the declaration of independence is my inability to understand 
>>>> what is
>>>> meant by the claim that lesser evilism does not exist.
>>>>
>>>> Sandy
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