[GPOC] [Pvgreens-discussion] pro~choice has no choice

[Margaret]

My two cents:
  As much as I would LOVE to 'vote my conscience' I have to agree with ya,
Larry. And I like the "Babo Pray" reference. I may not be a fan of Ritter,
but Goddess help us if we get "bo Pray".
Micheal Moore once said something like 'if your house is on fire, it is no
time to be arguing about what color to paint the bathroom' ( He was more
eleoquent that that, but you get my point.) And sadly, right now we have a
raging fire and there is not much left of the house.
Margaret


> Finally checking in as well . . .
>
> Guess I don't understand the internal consternation since it seems that 
> most everything gets changed for the better a small step at a time. I 
> should think that we are more realistic than the lesser of argument, 
> especially since we don't have a candidate. At this point, it may be too 
> late anyway. Nothing will ever be perfect - just have to continually work 
> toward it, yes?
>
> In my opinion, NOT voting for Ritter is akin to handing a vote to Babo 
> Pray (he'll clean things up right religiously) on a silver platter.
>
> - Larry
>
> Karen Treanor-Brown wrote:
>> Loveland Green checking in
>> have read discussion with interest in this eternal dilemma. sent some 
>> basic info to Green "down south" who is about to announce candidacy, who 
>> responded with analogy that doing the lesser evil vote is like giving 
>> money to a junkie - it just encourages the habit and changes nothing for 
>> the better. thought it was interesting and worth passing back to all.
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>> From: sandylemberg at juno.com
>>> To: hkopp at frii.com
>>> CC: CLAIRERYDER at cs.com, 
>>> grns-gpoc at greens.org,pvgreens-discussion at pvgreens.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GPOC] [Pvgreens-discussion] pro~choice has no choice
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:36:52 -0600
>>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:02:36 -0600 (MDT) "Hollie Kopp" <hkopp at frii.com>
>>> writes:
>>>
>>> "The current political situation has noting to do with the "lesser
>>> evilism" strategy as it is so dramatically termed."
>>>
>>> The reasoning of this statement eludes me completely.
>>>
>>> Since at least the end of WWII, liberals have fought tooth and nail to
>>> elect right wing Democrats such as Truman. This has moved the political
>>> "Center" in the US from a position between the Left and the Right to a
>>> position between the extreme Right and even further to the Right.
>>>
>>> It is common wisdom, for example, that the political stances of Clinton
>>> were well to the Right of the political stances of Nixon.
>>>
>>> This is lesser evilism. By continuing to obediently vote for the Right
>>> wing candidates which the Right puts before the electorate, Liberals 
>>> have
>>> disenfranchised the Left. There are simply no candidates on the Left to
>>> vote for.
>>>
>>> The only way to break this cycle is for progressives to refuse to vote
>>> for right wing candidates.
>>>
>>> This relates directly to the matter of Green independence from corporate
>>> politics. Part of the reason I have still not responded to Doug's 
>>> version
>>> of the declaration of independence is my inability to understand what is
>>> meant by the claim that lesser evilism does not exist.
>>>
>>> Sandy
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