[Pvgreens-discussion] Re: Pvgreens-discussion digest, Vol 1 #17 - 1 msg
Eric Fried
Eric Fried" <eric@pvgreens.org
Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:02:05 -0700
I am sorry Sandy thinks a fraudulent election of the US President is not
relevant to Greens. I disagree.
We currently have three members (me, Tyler Kinkade, and Nancy York)
moderating the announce list and thus authorized to post announcements they
consider relevant. Tyler and I "moderate" the discussion list only to the
extent of verifying that list members are registered Green, and then all
members can post whatever they like. This situation, as well as the people
chosen as moderators, is changeable at any Poudre Valley Green Party general
meeting. If the discuss list is inactive, Sandy (and any other member) is
free to activate it at any time. I have tried not to "dominate" that list,
since my activity in trying to promote the Greens clearly offends Sandy. If
only Sandy spent as much energy trying to promote the Greens (registering
voters, staffing tables, working on campaigns, writing Soapboxes,
contributing money, SOMETHING!) as he does criticizing those who do...
Eric Fried
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> 1. Fw: [pvgreens-announce] News Flash: Kerry Won! (Alexander M Lemberg)
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> We need to restructure the email lists. The forwarded post has little to
> do with Greens, Poudre Valley or otherwise. The only reason it got on the
> announce list is that Eric Fried, who controls the list and operates it
> according to his desires, put it there. If such an article belongs on a
> Greens list at all, it would be a discussion list and not an announce
> list.
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> In the meantime, the new "discuss list" is inactive, while what little
> meaningful discussion there is takes place on the announce list, at Eric
> Fried's discretion. If we are to rebuild the Poudre Valley local, this
> situation must change.
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> Sandy
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> From America's premier investigative journalist, Greg Palast, author of =
> "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy":
>
> I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more hung chad. =
> But I don't have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage =
> called American democracy, it's my job to tell you who got the most =
> votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was =
> John Kerry.=20
>
> Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. At 1:05 a.m. =
> Wednesday morning, CNN's exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio =
> women by 53 percent to 47 percent. The exit polls were later combined =
> with-and therefore contaminated by-the tabulated results, ultimately =
> becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote. Kerry also defeated Bush =
> among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a third gender =
> voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.=20
>
> Read full story at http://www.gregpalast.com/
>
>
>
> And check out these "glitches" in Ohio and Florida....
>
> Should America Trust the Results of the Election?=20
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
> -------
>
> Commentary by Shane Cory
> November 5, 2004
>
>
> Days after the election, 55 million Americans are still scratching their =
> heads and wondering how it is that George W. Bush won reelection. =
> Garnering 8 million more votes than he earned in 2000, many are raising =
> eyebrows as to how this was accomplished. =20
>
>
>
> While no one wants to cry "fraud" and lead a tinfoil hat brigade, a buzz =
> is growing on the Internet that whispers to the amazed and confused that =
> they should not close the books on this election just yet.
>
>
>
> Members of the discussion forum, DemocraticUnderground.com dug in and =
> have already found a clear error in the vote count within Ohio. In one =
> voting precinct in Gahanna, Ohio, 4,258 voters supposedly cast an =
> electronic ballot for George Bush while only 260 voted for John Kerry. =
> While it is vaguely possible that over 94% of voters in the precinct =
> supported George W. Bush, it is a hard number to believe considering =
> that only 638 voters were counted at the polling center. =20
>
>
>
> The Gahanna incident is just one confirmed mistake and was discovered by =
> activists on the Internet. It was a fairly easy "glitch" to detect =
> given the large discrepancy between the head count at the polling =
> station and the votes for Bush. Given this voting error one must ask, =
> how many more glitches occurred that only involved tens or hundreds of =
> votes?
>
>
>
> In Florida, exit polling data showed the opposite of the final results =
> provided through the state. Even more surprising are the changes in =
> votes per party that occurred on November 2nd. Counties using e-touch =
> voting machines in Florida showed an average vote gain of 29% for =
> Republicans and a 23.8% increase for Democrats. However the counties =
> that used optical scan vote machines showed drastic differences. =
> Republicans gained by 128.45% in counties using optical scan voting =
> machines while Democrats had a -21% loss (yes, that is negative 21%). =
> Some districts in Florida showed gains over 400% while one, Liberty =
> County, gained over 700% for Republicans.
>
>
>
> Many within the nation are left on the verge of outrage when faced with =
> such evidence of possible fraud. Many are gearing up to investigate and =
> determine what actually happened to the votes of millions of Americans =
> or possibly the votes of many non-existent Americans.
>
>
>
> One organization that is investigating the matter is BlackBoxVoting.org =
> which is run by Bev Harris. Mrs. Harris has turned over evidence to =
> authorities regarding vote fraud and has come to the conclusion that =
> fraud did occur on November 2nd.=20
>
>
>
> For full story, go to =
> http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_10500.shtml
>
>
>
> Florida, of course, is run by President Bush's brother Jeb, and Ohio is =
> the home of the chief executive of Diebold, Inc., the main manufacturer =
> of electronic voting machines suspected of cooking the books on the =
> election. Ohio's highly partisan Secretary of State Blackwell engaged in =
> many efforts to suppress the vote, from threatening to not process voter =
> registrations forms done on the wrong weight of paper, to allowing =
> Republican vote challengers in (what a coincidence!) mostly =
> African-American and Latino neighborhoods to awarding Diebold the =
> contract for Ohio voting machines despite a clear conflict of interest =
> and the absence of a verifiable paper trail from voters. Before the =
> election, conventional wisdom said whoever took two of the three biggest =
> swing states - Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida - would be the next =
> president. Now we know Karl Rove ("Bush's Brain") wasn't taking any =
> chances on a fair count...
>
> =20
>
> =20
>
> Voting Machine Controversy=20
> COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio =
> told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed =
> to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." =
>
>
> The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - =
> who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - =
> prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing =
> O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.=20
>
> O'Dell attended a strategy pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors - known =
> as Rangers and Pioneers - at the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch =
> earlier this month. The next week, he penned invitations to a =
> $1,000-a-plate fund-raiser to benefit the Ohio Republican Party's =
> federal campaign fund - partially benefiting Bush - at his mansion in =
> the Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington.=20
>
> The letter went out the day before Ohio Secretary of State Ken =
> Blackwell, also a Republican, was set to qualify Diebold as one of three =
> firms eligible to sell upgraded electronic voting machines to Ohio =
> counties in time for the 2004 election.=20
>
>
>
> For full story, go to =
> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm
>
>
>
> Sleep well, the Empire is in safe hands!
>
>
>
>
>
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> <P><EM><U>From America's premier investigative journalist, Greg Palast, =
> author=20
> of "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy":</U></EM></P>
> <P><STRONG>I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more =
> hung=20
> chad. But I don't have a choice. As a journalist examining that =
> messy=20
> sausage called American democracy, it's my job to tell you who got the =
> most=20
> votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was =
> John=20
> Kerry. </STRONG></P>
> <P><!--StartFragment --><STRONG> Most voters in Ohio thought they =
> were=20
> voting for Kerry. At 1:05 a.m. Wednesday morning, CNN's exit poll showed =
> Kerry=20
> beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. The =
> exit polls=20
> were later combined with=97and therefore contaminated by=97the tabulated =
> results,=20
> ultimately becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote. Kerry =
> also=20
> defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless =
> a third=20
> gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state. </STRONG></P>
> <P>Read full story at <A=20
> href=3D"http://www.gregpalast.com/">http://www.gregpalast.com/</A></P>
> <P><STRONG><FONT size=3D5><FONT =
> size=3D3></FONT></STRONG> </P></FONT>
> <P><STRONG><FONT size=3D5>And check out these "glitches" in Ohio and=20
> Florida....</FONT></STRONG></P>
> <P><SPAN class=3Darticle_title>Should America Trust the Results of the=20
> Election?</SPAN> </P>
> <HR width=3D"100%" noShade SIZE=3D1>
>
> <P><SPAN class=3Darticle_text>Commentary by Shane Cory<BR>November 5,=20
> 2004</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=3Darticle_text><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Days after the election, =
> 55=20
> million Americans are still scratching their heads and wondering how it =
> is that=20
> George W. Bush won reelection.<SPAN> </SPAN>Garnering 8 million =
> more votes=20
> than he earned in 2000, many are raising eyebrows as to how this was=20
> accomplished.<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN> </P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">While no one wants to =
> cry "fraud"=20
> and lead a tinfoil hat brigade, a buzz is growing on the Internet that =
> whispers=20
> to the amazed and confused that they should not close the books on this =
> election=20
> just yet.</SPAN></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN> </P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Members of the =
> discussion forum,=20
> DemocraticUnderground.com dug in and have already found a clear error in =
> the=20
> vote count within Ohio.<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">In =
> one=20
> voting precinct in Gahanna, Ohio, 4,258 voters supposedly cast an =
> electronic=20
> ballot for George Bush while only 260 voted for John Kerry. While it is =
> vaguely=20
> possible that over 94% of voters in the precinct supported George W. =
> Bush, it is=20
> a hard number to believe considering that only 638 voters were counted =
> at the=20
> polling center.</SPAN><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><SPAN> =
> </SPAN></SPAN></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><SPAN><FONT=20
> color=3D#333333></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><SPAN><SPAN=20
> class=3Darticle_text><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> </P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The Gahanna incident is =
> just one=20
> confirmed mistake and was discovered by activists on the =
> Internet.<SPAN> =20
> </SPAN>It was a fairly easy "glitch" to detect given the large =
> discrepancy=20
> between the head count at the polling station and the votes for=20
> Bush.<SPAN> </SPAN>Given this voting error one must ask, how many =
> more=20
> glitches occurred that only involved tens or hundreds of =
> votes?</SPAN></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN> </P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">In Florida, exit polling =
> data=20
> showed the opposite of the final results provided through the =
> state.<SPAN> =20
> </SPAN>Even more surprising are the <A=20
> href=3D"http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm">changes in votes</A> =
> per party=20
> that occurred on November 2<SUP>nd</SUP>.<SPAN> </SPAN>Counties =
> using=20
> e-touch voting machines in Florida showed an average vote gain of 29% =
> for=20
> Republicans and a 23.8% increase for Democrats.<SPAN> =
> </SPAN>However the=20
> counties that used optical scan vote machines showed drastic=20
> differences.<SPAN> </SPAN>Republicans gained by 128.45% in =
> counties using=20
> optical scan voting machines while Democrats had a -21% loss (yes, that =
> is=20
> negative 21%).<SPAN> </SPAN>Some districts in Florida showed gains =
> over=20
> 400% while one, Liberty County, gained over 700% for =
> Republicans.</SPAN></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN> </P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Many within the nation =
> are left on=20
> the verge of outrage when faced with such evidence of possible=20
> fraud.<SPAN> </SPAN>Many are gearing up to investigate and =
> determine what=20
> actually happened to the votes of millions of Americans or possibly the =
> votes of=20
> many non-existent Americans.</SPAN></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN> </P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">One organization that is =
>
> investigating the matter is BlackBoxVoting.org which is run by Bev=20
> Harris.<SPAN> </SPAN>Mrs. Harris has turned over evidence to =
> authorities=20
> regarding vote fraud and has come to the conclusion that fraud did occur =
> on=20
> November=20
> 2<SUP>nd</SUP>.<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></P></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>=
>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><SPAN><FONT=20
> color=3D#333333></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><SPAN><FONT =
> color=3D#333333>For full=20
> story, go to <!--StartFragment --><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
> color=3D#000000 size=3D3> <FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#333333 =
> size=3D2><A=20
> href=3D"http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_10500.shtml">http://www=
> .washingtondispatch.com/article_10500.shtml</A></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPA=
> N></SPAN></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><SPAN><FONT=20
> color=3D#333333></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><SPAN><FONT=20
> color=3D#333333><EM>Florida, of course, is run by President Bush's =
> brother Jeb,=20
> and Ohio is the home of the chief executive of Diebold, Inc., the main=20
> manufacturer of electronic voting machines suspected of cooking the =
> books on the=20
> election. Ohio's highly partisan Secretary of State Blackwell engaged in =
> many=20
> efforts to suppress the vote, from threatening to not process voter=20
> registrations forms done on the wrong weight of paper, to allowing =
> Republican=20
> vote challengers in (what a coincidence!) mostly African-American and =
> Latino=20
> neighborhoods to awarding Diebold the contract for Ohio voting machines =
> despite=20
> a clear conflict of interest and the absence of a verifiable paper trail =
> from=20
> voters. Before the election, conventional wisdom said whoever took two =
> of the=20
> three biggest swing states - Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida - would be =
> the next=20
> president. Now we know Karl Rove ("Bush's Brain") wasn't taking any =
> chances on a=20
> fair count...</EM></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><SPAN><!--StartFragment =
> --><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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> <P><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D2>COLUMBUS - The =
> head of a=20
> company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a =
> recent=20
> fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its =
> electoral=20
> votes to the president next year." </FONT></P>
> <P><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D2>The Aug. 14 =
> letter from=20
> Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active =
> in the=20
> re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to =
> question=20
> the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the =
> 2004=20
> presidential election. </FONT></P>
> <P><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D2>O'Dell attended =
> a strategy=20
> pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors - known as Rangers and Pioneers - =
> at the=20
> president's Crawford, Texas, ranch earlier this month. The next week, he =
> penned=20
> invitations to a $1,000-a-plate fund-raiser to benefit the Ohio =
> Republican=20
> Party's federal campaign fund - partially benefiting Bush - at his =
> mansion in=20
> the Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington. </FONT></P>
> <P><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D2>The letter went =
> out the day=20
> before Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, also a Republican, was set =
> to=20
> qualify Diebold as one of three firms eligible to sell upgraded =
> electronic=20
> voting machines to Ohio counties in time for the 2004 election.=20
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> face=3DArial>For full=20
> story, go to </FONT><A=20
> href=3D"http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm">http://www.c=
> ommondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm</A></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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> face=3DArial>Sleep well,=20
> the Empire is in safe hands!</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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